Conrail Cabins & Cabooses Helper Service

CONRAIL Timetable No. 4 Harrisburg Division.

• Does anybody have a list of how the remaining cabooses are going to be divided between NS and CSX? I assume some will be retained for use in the Shared Asset Areas.
• According to Larry DeYoung's 'Conrail Color guide to Freight Equipment' Conrail acquired two cabooses with the Raritan River in 1980, there is a photo of RR 9 renumbered CR 19795 and classed as an NE-6 on page 15. The build date of 1944 listed in there is not in the range that I have for the NH cars but it definitely looks like an NE-6. I also found a photo of another RR caboose on the 'Net that is an NE-5 style car but the number is not visible, I am guessing that the other car would have been renumbered CR 19796. Any NH or RR fans out there that can clear this one up?
• I now have conflicting info on DT 33-42!A former Conrail Manager of Car Engineering has reported that these cars were built by DSI and not Whitehead and Kales.
  Thanks to Mike Delaney I have one question answered and another mystery to solve. Anybody know what happened to Detroit Terminal's transfer cabooses cabooses #33-42 that were built by Whitehead and Kales in River Rouge, MI. They appear to be built to NYC N9 or N9E specs as the Terminal was half owned by the NYC. Mike is looking for any info relating to these cars. Mike answered Roger Kirkpatrick's question : Several RF&P cabooses went to Detroit Terminal RR. DT was absorbed by CR in 1981 but I see no mention of any cabooses from DT? DTRR aquired RF&P cabooses numbers 902, 830, and 860 in 6-19-50, 6-6-50, and 12-11-51 respectively. They became the 30, 31 and 32 in that order. The 31 was burned in a fire and retired in 8-20-51. the 30 (ex-902) was retired in 8-31-67 and the 32(ex-860) was retired in 10-31-68. The 30 and 32 had cupolas removed and converted to wooden type transfer cabooses some years after the DTRR aquired them.
• Chapter #176 of the NRHS, (Beaver Valley Junction) is looking for any pics of the 2 Conrail cabooses that were donated to the chapter this past Fall. The N-5C is Conrail 23111, ex Penn Central 23111, ex PRR 477974. The transfer cabose Conrail 18216, ex Penn Central 18216. These cabooses were sitting in Conway Yards for years and pics of them in the yards are all we have at the present. Any pics of them in sevice on Conrail,Penn Central, or PRR would be most appreachiated. Credit would be given. Thanks All. George Alberti
• Does anyone have PC renumbering data for the ex NYC N-7/N-7A? Stephen J Agostini provided a list of many cars, there still are a few gaps to be filled.
• On the References page I have indicated the articles that I have originals or copies of, I would like to either find back issues or obtain photocopies of the articles that I don't have.
• The Ironton had a former RDG caboose numbered 8, what happened to it?
  Roger Kirkpatrick thinks that Ironton 8 is in Wind Gap, PA. Perhaps someone could pay a visit to see?
• I still have gaps in my M of W list, did these cars exist? 46104 and 46175-46194.
• Were PC 30000 series cars M of W cars for PC? I have conflicting information, N-5 30001 was renumbered by PC to 19237, I do not know what happened to NE-6 PC 30006.
• Color photo and history of CR 20076/PC 22983/PC 19573/PRR 477594 this car is in the N-5B group but has a streamlined cupola and 4 square windows per side, reported at Utica NY Children's Museum, Bagg's Square District near Union Station, 315-724-6128
  Photos wanted
  • N-3 class in blue.
  • N-5D class CR 46168/PC 19590/PRR 477184.
  • N-5H class(have one in PC paint, would like one in blue).
  • N-5A class in blue or gray.
    • CR 19568/PC 19568/PRR 477292
    • CR 46170/PC 19569/PC19146/PRR 477110
  • Color shot of CR 21736 in New England Division safety scheme.
• Numbers of ex P&E cars in N-9/9E and N-11/11E class.

• Numbers of the 10 brown N-5Cs assigned to PPLX trains (I have 4 of them 23065, 23070, 23091 & 23120).
  from Jeff Feldmeier and other sources It appears that 10 were planned but only four were ever painted. PC started this paint scheme, they had gold lettering.
• What was special about PC cabooses grouped in the PC 4700 series? These numbers were first held by a group of N-5s, mostly from the PRR 5000 series. Later some of the PC 4700 numbers were reassigned to a group of N-8s.
  from Joseph W. Gotaskie The PRR had assigned the number series 4900 and 5000 series to Crew Express Service for crew rider cars on mail and express trains. According to the PRR T&HS Keystone Magazine (summer 1996) article by Chuck Blardone. He indicates at the end of the article that the practice continued into the Penn Central era. This is collaborated with video I have seen taken by Emory Gulash.
• What became of ex L&NE 580(CNJ 91552), 581(CNJ 91551), 584?
  from Roger Kirkpatick L&NE 580 is at Steamtown in Scranton, PA.
• I know where L&HR 17 is(New Freedom, PA). What happened to the other L&HR cars?
  from Roger Kirkpatick I list L&HR cars at Sugar Loaf & Warwick, NY, with one Warwick car reported as #81.
• What is the difference between 'non-E' and 'E' cars in N-9 and N-11 series.
  from Jim Hebner see renumbering tables for E/non-E numbers. E cars have a 6 VDC electrical system.
  from John Reehling The "E" suffix on caboose classes has long become meaningless. Under the old PRR Classification Rules and later PC the"E" meant ELECTRIFIED. Almost all cabooses had some sort of electrification applied even before the PC merger. Some were 6 or 12 volt storage battery systems, lead-acid, that required frequent recharging, either on or off the car. The pool cabooses had axle driven alternators, either belt or Spicer driven and 12 volt nickel-iron batteries. The cars which had 32 volt systems were converted to 12 volts.
• Conrail had(has?) two flangers numbered 64725 and 64726. 64725 looks to be an N-7E class caboose. There is one car, EL C356, missing from the renumbering table, could this be the flanger? There is also one N-7D missing, EL C334, could this be the other one?
  from George Elwood C356 was donated to the ELHS by the EL and C334 was wrecked.
  OK, can anyone provide some data on the flangers?
  'Conrail Color guide to Freight Equipment' by Larry DeYoung, indicates flangers were EL C-355 and C-357(CR 21163 and CR 21168), I don't know if they recieved ther assigned CR numbers before conversion.